Earlier today I was thinking that the amount of food content on the pod had sadly declined, and was thinking about whether to speak up and ask for the inclusion of more. So I'm DELIGHTED to have the ice cream section right up front. Splendid. And fully agree - olive oil ice cream is sublime.
Now to listen to the rest! Thanks as ever for what you give us each week
The cool thing about the Ladies of Llangollen cutlery story is that maybe more of their personal items will be discovered. When Sarah Ponsonby died the entire contents of their home was auctioned off, along with the empty house. (Which was bought by another lesbian couple.) The house is now a museum—worth visiting—but very little of their property has been found. Yet.
One of the worst bits of tat that we own is a heart shaped pot holder with both our names embroidered on it. This was a gift from friends who had it made for us while they were on holiday in Italy. We have worried that this gift was intended by our friends as a comment on our total lack of taste in interior decor. Nevertheless, the pot holder hangs by the cooker in our kitchen, as our friends would be sure to notice its absence if we put it in the recycle bin where it belongs.
Hi, Julie & Kathleen! I'm writing a YA sapphic fairytale/historical fiction. When it's available, would you two be interested in reading it and possibly giving it a shout out on the podcast? I would love to know how you two find it. It's set between France & Ireland in 1899-1915ish. Do you have an address for the podcast I could send it to for you both? I'm also writing a nonfiction contemporary geographical philosophy book that has a strong Foucauldian influence. I'm a geographer (Master's degree). But that won't be ready until after the fiction book. I do discuss homosexual global politics, but it's still a work-in-progress 😊
Julie is right about the Salt Path. If she had just told the truth about her losing their home because she stole money from her employer and had to pay it back to avoid prosecution, that would have made the story so much more interesting.
And I don't know about people that are saying that all books are fiction, also the non fiction ones and no harm done. If you are telling a story how the way to cure a fatal, devastating brain disease, is to go on a long, hard cross country walk and claiming that it is a true story.... People might follow it. So not totally harmless.
Can't access the Economist article but there's far too much information missing to even make meaningful speculations about same-sex divorce rates. What's the mean age of marriage and divorce rate for straight couples? Is it mean age of first marriage or are all marriages included - because if so a high divorce and remarriage rate in a group would naturally push it up. Are civil partnerships included or not, is that an option for straight couples too, is there a sex difference in preference for them vs marriage, can you later marry the same person you're already in a civil partnership with...? My first thought was that 34 and 38 years is both very late for marrying and starting a family and not significantly different. My speculation would be that the small difference is due to natural sex differences in fertility. I think having kids together is a very common reason to get married and that lesbians might "rush into it" more also because of their biological clock. I don't think having kids is a protective factor against divorce - in fact I've seen figures showing the strain of having small children being a major cause of divorce and I think that's true for lesbians as well as straight couples. I also think it's pretty well established that women's lower salaries after marriage is due to them having children - though I recall a Swedish study showing that it's economically beneficial for women to be in lesbian partnerships vs straight ones.
This episode got me laughing, but also due to the monogrammed cutlery discussions, got me thinking about looking at LGB museums. How fascinating would it be to see items like these included- not only things like artworks, writings and items of a political nature in a museum setting. These common everyday life objects cherished by famous gay people.
My fave lezzer project so far! I can see that zip up two face garment in my minds eye and it brings JOY And as for the relief of not having to watch The Salt Path ,that’s a bonus! Going to get some cutlery engraved…..
Oh and I'll also agree with Julie that for all the narrative around gay men's comfort with eschewing monogamy (which ofc has more than one grain of truth), as a lesbian with two gay brothers, there is plenty of drama that arises from introducing more sexual partners into a relationship. I wouldn't presume lower homosexual male rates of divorce necessarily means no drama.
About the divorce rates among same sex couples, I think I've got a very simple, straight forward explanation for why the lesbian divorce rate is high and gay men's is low. Instead of looking at homosexual communities as inherently separate from heterosexual, it's important to recognize that for all the stereotype around lesbians as masculine and gay men as feminine, at the end of the day, lesbians are women and gay men are men and they both behave accordingly. In heterosexual divorce, women famously initiate almost 80% of the time. Why are we surprised that gendered trends would compound in homosexual relationships? The more interesting question is, why are women more likely to seek divorce? I think I've got a few good theories for why this is but alas this post is getting long. Suffice it to say, regardless of the sex or sexuality of the person initiating divorce, it's always the individual that has the least to lose and the most to gain from the marriage ending.
Hate to break it to you, aunties, but you eat at restaurants all the time. Think of all the many and varied mouths that have eaten using the cutlery. Shock and Horror! 😱🍴🥄
I still want a Sapphic Traffic t-shirt! didnt someone draw some inspired art of that? could be a hoodie too :D
I enjoyed how much Julie hated the aesthetic article. What an empty, meaningless, queer theory, identitarian, gender nonsense it was.
Earlier today I was thinking that the amount of food content on the pod had sadly declined, and was thinking about whether to speak up and ask for the inclusion of more. So I'm DELIGHTED to have the ice cream section right up front. Splendid. And fully agree - olive oil ice cream is sublime.
Now to listen to the rest! Thanks as ever for what you give us each week
The cool thing about the Ladies of Llangollen cutlery story is that maybe more of their personal items will be discovered. When Sarah Ponsonby died the entire contents of their home was auctioned off, along with the empty house. (Which was bought by another lesbian couple.) The house is now a museum—worth visiting—but very little of their property has been found. Yet.
One of the worst bits of tat that we own is a heart shaped pot holder with both our names embroidered on it. This was a gift from friends who had it made for us while they were on holiday in Italy. We have worried that this gift was intended by our friends as a comment on our total lack of taste in interior decor. Nevertheless, the pot holder hangs by the cooker in our kitchen, as our friends would be sure to notice its absence if we put it in the recycle bin where it belongs.
Hi, Julie & Kathleen! I'm writing a YA sapphic fairytale/historical fiction. When it's available, would you two be interested in reading it and possibly giving it a shout out on the podcast? I would love to know how you two find it. It's set between France & Ireland in 1899-1915ish. Do you have an address for the podcast I could send it to for you both? I'm also writing a nonfiction contemporary geographical philosophy book that has a strong Foucauldian influence. I'm a geographer (Master's degree). But that won't be ready until after the fiction book. I do discuss homosexual global politics, but it's still a work-in-progress 😊
Really funny and entertaining episode ladies, thank you 😊
Julie is right about the Salt Path. If she had just told the truth about her losing their home because she stole money from her employer and had to pay it back to avoid prosecution, that would have made the story so much more interesting.
And I don't know about people that are saying that all books are fiction, also the non fiction ones and no harm done. If you are telling a story how the way to cure a fatal, devastating brain disease, is to go on a long, hard cross country walk and claiming that it is a true story.... People might follow it. So not totally harmless.
0:42 good mornings; ice-cream
10:30 lesbian voices; Nicola Sturgeon
13:47 same-sex divorce rates
25:48 mullets in Berlin
35:56 lesbian cutlery; wild rabbits
42:31 lesbian cutlery (2nd try)
Can't access the Economist article but there's far too much information missing to even make meaningful speculations about same-sex divorce rates. What's the mean age of marriage and divorce rate for straight couples? Is it mean age of first marriage or are all marriages included - because if so a high divorce and remarriage rate in a group would naturally push it up. Are civil partnerships included or not, is that an option for straight couples too, is there a sex difference in preference for them vs marriage, can you later marry the same person you're already in a civil partnership with...? My first thought was that 34 and 38 years is both very late for marrying and starting a family and not significantly different. My speculation would be that the small difference is due to natural sex differences in fertility. I think having kids together is a very common reason to get married and that lesbians might "rush into it" more also because of their biological clock. I don't think having kids is a protective factor against divorce - in fact I've seen figures showing the strain of having small children being a major cause of divorce and I think that's true for lesbians as well as straight couples. I also think it's pretty well established that women's lower salaries after marriage is due to them having children - though I recall a Swedish study showing that it's economically beneficial for women to be in lesbian partnerships vs straight ones.
I love watching you disagree on everything. Proper lesbians. xx
This episode got me laughing, but also due to the monogrammed cutlery discussions, got me thinking about looking at LGB museums. How fascinating would it be to see items like these included- not only things like artworks, writings and items of a political nature in a museum setting. These common everyday life objects cherished by famous gay people.
My fave lezzer project so far! I can see that zip up two face garment in my minds eye and it brings JOY And as for the relief of not having to watch The Salt Path ,that’s a bonus! Going to get some cutlery engraved…..
Oh and I'll also agree with Julie that for all the narrative around gay men's comfort with eschewing monogamy (which ofc has more than one grain of truth), as a lesbian with two gay brothers, there is plenty of drama that arises from introducing more sexual partners into a relationship. I wouldn't presume lower homosexual male rates of divorce necessarily means no drama.
About the divorce rates among same sex couples, I think I've got a very simple, straight forward explanation for why the lesbian divorce rate is high and gay men's is low. Instead of looking at homosexual communities as inherently separate from heterosexual, it's important to recognize that for all the stereotype around lesbians as masculine and gay men as feminine, at the end of the day, lesbians are women and gay men are men and they both behave accordingly. In heterosexual divorce, women famously initiate almost 80% of the time. Why are we surprised that gendered trends would compound in homosexual relationships? The more interesting question is, why are women more likely to seek divorce? I think I've got a few good theories for why this is but alas this post is getting long. Suffice it to say, regardless of the sex or sexuality of the person initiating divorce, it's always the individual that has the least to lose and the most to gain from the marriage ending.
Hate to break it to you, aunties, but you eat at restaurants all the time. Think of all the many and varied mouths that have eaten using the cutlery. Shock and Horror! 😱🍴🥄