Thoroughly enjoyed that. Yabbering on about issues of deep political and personal impact. (Ive just realised you could both be my daughters. ( Julie at á pinch )) that’s how long I’ve been around- yet we could be around the same table. Today’s lesbian experience is nothing I could’ve imagined. It’s perhaps time for a new cycle of consciousness raising groups. The early version of podcasts and zoom gatherings ( but more visceral). I will be back for more of this, yearning to participate
Lovely. Like a chat down the pub with mates. I’m a LOL (late onset lesbian). Switched in my mid-fifties and not because I had rubbish sex with men (2 long-term relationships with men). It was the realisation I’m more romantically connected to women. I don’t really analyse it much as I just accept my feelings changed course. I used to hate peanut butter but love it now!
Really enjoyed this. It’s so lovely to be able to have a sense of humour again in all the madness. I turned over the rock to understand what it was JKR and KS said that was (and turns out isn’t) hateful, and since then seem to not be able to turn without sex and genitalia in my face. Well not literally, but it’s certainly been an education that I wasn’t looking for. Really looking forward to enjoying more of these conversations that remind me it’s not all doom and gloom out there and we are allowed to lighten the mood with a laugh sometimes. Thanks both of you for setting this up. You should invite Graham linehan on. That could be a laugh and also possibly increase your subscribers? 😆.
First, Desert Hearts has a happy ending, both the book and the novel. Second the absolute best part of this brilliant conversation was Julie's point about what is relevant at work, I would much prefer a world where pronouns & sex life were irrelevant at work. (Can you show up on time and do your job without banging on about your imagined oppression, You're hired.) Finally, thank you for a thoroughly thought provoking and entertaining podcast. This and my subscription to LC certainly improve the amount of 'real' Lesbian content in my life.
Great first podcast! Thanks ladies :) Love the fact you don't always agree with each other and even though I don't always agree with you, it gives me lots of good food for thought. Looking forward to seeing these podcasts evolve.
I've been looking forward to this for so long and I wasn't disappointed. I love how strong your friendship is, one which allows you to disagree without screeching BIGOT at each other. A lot of people could learn a lot form this. BTW, I belly laughed at the Dyke Project being your tribute band. They wish!!!❤️
So glad I found you. A couple of years ago Julie stopped me from going mad when I discovered her on Twitter and took strength and heart from her comments about male violence which I’ve been railing against all my life. As a ‘Johnny come lately’ lesbian I’m thinking it’s becoming difficult (once again! ) to meet and commune with other women without harassment and larpers .
That was loads of fun. Thanks both. Julie's description of late-onset lesbianism resonated heavily with me bar the fact that my relationships with men in my twenties did include both love and good sex - though I always knew I was attracted to women. When I emerged from those relationships at thirty and finally started dating women, there was no way back. Men disappeared completely from both my sexual and romantic imagination. It's taken me a few years since then to describe myself as a lesbian - I wrestled with the identity politics of it - but I couldn't be happier with that part of myself, even if the dating apps are a hellscape of epic proportions (I'm thirty-five and my generation are all ENM, 'queer' or trans-identified)...
This was lovely. Makes me realise how hard it is to just have lesbian only interactions, nice “fireside” chat :) I’ll look forward to more as we go into the hot Adelaide summer!
Really enjoyed this, so relaxed and such good camaraderie. Would love it if you could also provide transcripts, going forward. There were so many good, well-phrased observations that my note-taking couldn’t keep up. Here are just a couple of the ones I sort of got down: from KS: “off the shelf activism” and from JB: “They romanticize oppression.” Also, on that part of the discussion, I found this article very interesting, and wonder whether anyone here has encountered what is described here on campuses: “The Decolonization Narrative Is Dangerous and False” https://archive.ph/DBnzw#selection-573.0-573.51
I’ve just finished listening to your first episode (Latecomer alert!) I wanted to comment but not on Twitter - so I’ve paid for the subscription so I can comment but my apologies if I have to stop my subscription next month. I’m not working at the moment for health reasons so probs can’t afford £5 a month regularly. But I intend to binge-listen to your episodes this month and comment while I can!
I just wanted to thank you both for speaking! That sounds a silly comment (we shouldn’t be in a world where thanking women for speaking should a thing!!). I’m not brave enough to speak up publicly about ‘politically inconvenient topics’ (ie women’s rights!) So I really want to thank you both for doing so.
I have a history of CSA&CSE and also as an adult sexual exploitation. I am not strong enough to comment on Twitter because one time when I put my head above the parapet I got called a SWERF and, as someone who was previously prostituted, it really affected me to be further shamed so I deleted my whole account and made a new one. Thank you, Julie, for standing up so fiercely to protect women and children like I was in the sex trade.
I wish I could be as strong as you both. Although I’m 34 and thus technically ‘Grown up’, I still find myself thinking: “I want to be Dr Stock when I grow up!” Thank you so much, both, for speaking up for women - for lesbians - for academic freedom - and for exploited women. When I hear you speak (I particularly valued listening to the Audible version of Dr Stock’s book), I feel like *I’m* not the insane one - which is why it’s so valuable! Because so many women - particularly with pasts like mine - are so used to being gaslit and manipulated to believe we’re the bonkers ones - and so much of the mainstream ‘liberal’ conversations makes people like me think “I’m the crazy B-word for caring about women’s sex-based rights and fundamentals of child safeguarding”. Thank you for helping me know I’m not insane! (In this regard, at least!) The world we live in at the moment is insane!
I love KD Lang and remember that mag cover vividly - I didn't like it, because it felt so staged and 'faux lesbian'. Pure click bait before click bait was a thing. It was a visual suggestion that, deep down, lesbians just want to be men, and although maybe a few individuals feel that way, it's usually a political distinction, not a genuine physical urge. (Losing that understanding in a mess of social media influence has done terrible damage to lesbians.)
Thoroughly enjoyed that. Yabbering on about issues of deep political and personal impact. (Ive just realised you could both be my daughters. ( Julie at á pinch )) that’s how long I’ve been around- yet we could be around the same table. Today’s lesbian experience is nothing I could’ve imagined. It’s perhaps time for a new cycle of consciousness raising groups. The early version of podcasts and zoom gatherings ( but more visceral). I will be back for more of this, yearning to participate
thank you so much!
Lovely. Like a chat down the pub with mates. I’m a LOL (late onset lesbian). Switched in my mid-fifties and not because I had rubbish sex with men (2 long-term relationships with men). It was the realisation I’m more romantically connected to women. I don’t really analyse it much as I just accept my feelings changed course. I used to hate peanut butter but love it now!
Thank you - glad you enjoyed it!
Lezbollah! Love it.
I loved that too!
Really enjoying this. Found myself arguing with you at one point and had to remember you couldn't hear me!
Really enjoyed this. It’s so lovely to be able to have a sense of humour again in all the madness. I turned over the rock to understand what it was JKR and KS said that was (and turns out isn’t) hateful, and since then seem to not be able to turn without sex and genitalia in my face. Well not literally, but it’s certainly been an education that I wasn’t looking for. Really looking forward to enjoying more of these conversations that remind me it’s not all doom and gloom out there and we are allowed to lighten the mood with a laugh sometimes. Thanks both of you for setting this up. You should invite Graham linehan on. That could be a laugh and also possibly increase your subscribers? 😆.
Realise of course not great to suggest a man as the first guest on the lesbian project. Hopefully caused more smiles than grimaces though. 😊😇
Nice listen… would love to hear more on Late in lifers.
"Late-onset lesbian" someone else said. 😂
Perhaps you would enjoy the Lesbian Chronicles Podcast, Verity Casey.
First, Desert Hearts has a happy ending, both the book and the novel. Second the absolute best part of this brilliant conversation was Julie's point about what is relevant at work, I would much prefer a world where pronouns & sex life were irrelevant at work. (Can you show up on time and do your job without banging on about your imagined oppression, You're hired.) Finally, thank you for a thoroughly thought provoking and entertaining podcast. This and my subscription to LC certainly improve the amount of 'real' Lesbian content in my life.
Great first podcast! Thanks ladies :) Love the fact you don't always agree with each other and even though I don't always agree with you, it gives me lots of good food for thought. Looking forward to seeing these podcasts evolve.
I've been looking forward to this for so long and I wasn't disappointed. I love how strong your friendship is, one which allows you to disagree without screeching BIGOT at each other. A lot of people could learn a lot form this. BTW, I belly laughed at the Dyke Project being your tribute band. They wish!!!❤️
So glad I found you. A couple of years ago Julie stopped me from going mad when I discovered her on Twitter and took strength and heart from her comments about male violence which I’ve been railing against all my life. As a ‘Johnny come lately’ lesbian I’m thinking it’s becoming difficult (once again! ) to meet and commune with other women without harassment and larpers .
I look forward to the next podcast.
That was loads of fun. Thanks both. Julie's description of late-onset lesbianism resonated heavily with me bar the fact that my relationships with men in my twenties did include both love and good sex - though I always knew I was attracted to women. When I emerged from those relationships at thirty and finally started dating women, there was no way back. Men disappeared completely from both my sexual and romantic imagination. It's taken me a few years since then to describe myself as a lesbian - I wrestled with the identity politics of it - but I couldn't be happier with that part of myself, even if the dating apps are a hellscape of epic proportions (I'm thirty-five and my generation are all ENM, 'queer' or trans-identified)...
I enjoyed the podcast. Wish we could invite both of you to join us and a few of our friends for dinner and a rave.
This was lovely. Makes me realise how hard it is to just have lesbian only interactions, nice “fireside” chat :) I’ll look forward to more as we go into the hot Adelaide summer!
Also, I appreciate video and audio, thank you.
Glad to know there is a sister in Adelaide.
Likewise :)
Really enjoyed this, so relaxed and such good camaraderie. Would love it if you could also provide transcripts, going forward. There were so many good, well-phrased observations that my note-taking couldn’t keep up. Here are just a couple of the ones I sort of got down: from KS: “off the shelf activism” and from JB: “They romanticize oppression.” Also, on that part of the discussion, I found this article very interesting, and wonder whether anyone here has encountered what is described here on campuses: “The Decolonization Narrative Is Dangerous and False” https://archive.ph/DBnzw#selection-573.0-573.51
I’ve just finished listening to your first episode (Latecomer alert!) I wanted to comment but not on Twitter - so I’ve paid for the subscription so I can comment but my apologies if I have to stop my subscription next month. I’m not working at the moment for health reasons so probs can’t afford £5 a month regularly. But I intend to binge-listen to your episodes this month and comment while I can!
I just wanted to thank you both for speaking! That sounds a silly comment (we shouldn’t be in a world where thanking women for speaking should a thing!!). I’m not brave enough to speak up publicly about ‘politically inconvenient topics’ (ie women’s rights!) So I really want to thank you both for doing so.
I have a history of CSA&CSE and also as an adult sexual exploitation. I am not strong enough to comment on Twitter because one time when I put my head above the parapet I got called a SWERF and, as someone who was previously prostituted, it really affected me to be further shamed so I deleted my whole account and made a new one. Thank you, Julie, for standing up so fiercely to protect women and children like I was in the sex trade.
I wish I could be as strong as you both. Although I’m 34 and thus technically ‘Grown up’, I still find myself thinking: “I want to be Dr Stock when I grow up!” Thank you so much, both, for speaking up for women - for lesbians - for academic freedom - and for exploited women. When I hear you speak (I particularly valued listening to the Audible version of Dr Stock’s book), I feel like *I’m* not the insane one - which is why it’s so valuable! Because so many women - particularly with pasts like mine - are so used to being gaslit and manipulated to believe we’re the bonkers ones - and so much of the mainstream ‘liberal’ conversations makes people like me think “I’m the crazy B-word for caring about women’s sex-based rights and fundamentals of child safeguarding”. Thank you for helping me know I’m not insane! (In this regard, at least!) The world we live in at the moment is insane!
I’ll stop gushing now!!
Thank you so much, both!
Take care,
Robyn
I love KD Lang and remember that mag cover vividly - I didn't like it, because it felt so staged and 'faux lesbian'. Pure click bait before click bait was a thing. It was a visual suggestion that, deep down, lesbians just want to be men, and although maybe a few individuals feel that way, it's usually a political distinction, not a genuine physical urge. (Losing that understanding in a mess of social media influence has done terrible damage to lesbians.)