My friend Hilary and I made a short film about the time Anne Lister visited a pair of celebrity lesbians, The Ladies of Llangollen: Seeking Sisterhood.
Fantastic to hear this discussion about Anne Lister. She was an extraordinary woman. Her diaries are fascinating though, as Joan says, you do learn a lot about coal along the way!! I’ve been to the Anne Lister Birthday Week events twice and it’s a great mix of learning and fun. Good for those of us who like to dress up occasionally too 😉
Thanks Julie and Joan, for discussing the Anne Lister phenomenon and Festival in Halifax each year 🎩 I’ve been twice, enjoyed all the events Joan describes. Most memorable were a talk by Helena Whitbread, a magnificent Regency Ball one year, and an unexpected evening of pool and beer in a Halifax pub with a pal, both of us still wearing full Gentleman Jack outfits 🎩👢after an event at Shibden Hall!
Also inspired by Anne Lister is the BBC documentary ‘Gentleman Jack Changed My Life’ with some of those stories from women around the world:
Joan told me over lunch that it was the Julie and Joan show this week. I'm so sorry Kathleen is ill, and but, as another Lister Sister, I was delighted to hear Joan spreading the story about AL and her diaries. The diaries project was fascinating and what it has led to is very exciting. I hope to be in Halifax again next year too.
Fascinating discussion about Anne Lister. I knew of her but not very much and will now search for the TV series to begin. It is so important for us to know about remarkable lesbian women, their achievements, struggles and thoughts. More is being published about notable Australian lesbians which is a delight. ‘Ida Leeson. A life’ by Sylvia Martin is one for all the lesbian librarians out there.
Also, I regularly listen to ‘Always, Rachel’, the correspondence between Rachel Carson and Dorothy Freeman because it is so tender and informative about their lives, and just beautiful to hear. They would not describe themselves as lesbian but they had a uniquely loving relationship.
Thank you so much, Julie, for mentioning the recent Federal Court victory of the Lesbian Action Group (LAG). The women behind that have amazing tenacity and one day this story will be acknowledged too. The shadows of gender ideology hang heavily over our country at present, so this legal victory is especially important.
I really enjoyed the extended discussion today. Best wishes for your recovery, Kathleen, and thanks again to Julie and Joan.
If you have to talk on the fly - have a bottle of Pineapple Juice on hand, it cuts through the phlegm/mucus. Singers - we do this all the time.
To get rid of the mucus out of your lungs and and throat - its for colds, bronchitis and pneumonia: Make a tea out of onion, celery and garlic:
Recipe
🧅 1 onion, roughly chopped
🌿 2 celery stalks, roughly chopped
🧄 2–3 garlic cloves, roughly chopped
💧 1 litre water
🍯 Optional: ½ tsp honey (I suggest the honey)
👉 Add everything to a large pot, bring to a gentle boil, then simmer on low for 30 minutes. Strain and sip warm.
Dosing: 1–3 cups daily, depending on severity of illness
If it's just light croaky type of mucus - and need a lighter, slower way to go.
Then also make a tea of ginger, lemon and honey.
1 large (4-inch) piece of FRESH ginger - break off from a larger piece if needed.
2 lemons - use firm lemons with a slight give when you give them a gentle squeeze (NO BOTTLED lemon juice - FRESH).
2 tablespoons of honey - proper real honey
Make sure the honey is proper honey, most - pretty much ll - of the crap on the shelves we use, has been tampered with, either diluted with sugar syrups, chemically processed, or produced through unnatural methods like force-feeding bees sugar instead of allowing them to forage in nature, which exploits the natural biological rhythm of bees. It also lacks the natural properties and health benefits of real, pure honey. Do your homework on honey, the real stuff is brilliant the usual fake stuff is just sugar and oil.
IF you have a huge temperature I have a dangerous way of getting rid of it that works, its painful though. Bury your bed with blankets, and have an electric blanket - get under all that until you are roasting, sweating up a storm, you will feel absolutely miserable in a new way entirely - and stay there till you can't bear it - at that point - stick with it - stay a few hours. And then very very very slowly remove the blankets one by one. It basically amplifies your fever - fever/heat is the body's response to killing the bugs, you're just helping it along. VERY slowly take your temperature down or you'll get pneumonia. Works though.
Helena spent several years transcribing the journals from microfilm. She printed out 50 pages at a time. Her books contain excerpts from the journals. The transcription project was sponsored by the West Yorkshire Archive Service. The WYAS has the journals, and other AL materials, and holds the copyright to the journals. The AL & Shibden files are extensive. The Gentleman Jack television series prompted a call for volunteers to transcribe the primary journals (26) & the travel journals (14), to create an official transcription of AL’s journals, which is available on the WYAS website. There are 2 versions – ‘complete’ and ‘clean’. The former includes brackets, while the latter is easier to read. Difficult to explain but obvious when you open the file. You can also read the original journals because they have been digitized. Sally Wainwright donated the funds that allowed the digitization. Oxford University Press is in negotiation with Calderdale &the WYAS to publish the primary journals. The books that have been published to date only contain excerpts. The OUP intends to publish the complete journals.
The published transcriptions make them available & allow everyone to read Lister’s journals. These historical documents are a treasure trove. Julie’s question about whether we should read them is one that continues to be debated. Lister never intended her journals to be read. She planned to burn them before she died. She didn’t expect to die in Russia. Ann Walker brought Lister’s last journals back. Lister’s cousin, John, protected them, and we are given the privilege of reading them.
Hope this answers your question. Apologies for the delay in answering.
Another great episode.
Get well soon, Kathleen.
My friend Hilary and I made a short film about the time Anne Lister visited a pair of celebrity lesbians, The Ladies of Llangollen: Seeking Sisterhood.
https://youtu.be/KPkhJfIH4Oo
Fantastic to hear this discussion about Anne Lister. She was an extraordinary woman. Her diaries are fascinating though, as Joan says, you do learn a lot about coal along the way!! I’ve been to the Anne Lister Birthday Week events twice and it’s a great mix of learning and fun. Good for those of us who like to dress up occasionally too 😉
Get well soon Kathleen!
Thanks Julie and Joan, for discussing the Anne Lister phenomenon and Festival in Halifax each year 🎩 I’ve been twice, enjoyed all the events Joan describes. Most memorable were a talk by Helena Whitbread, a magnificent Regency Ball one year, and an unexpected evening of pool and beer in a Halifax pub with a pal, both of us still wearing full Gentleman Jack outfits 🎩👢after an event at Shibden Hall!
Also inspired by Anne Lister is the BBC documentary ‘Gentleman Jack Changed My Life’ with some of those stories from women around the world:
https://youtu.be/dk_B_NRtaog
Get well soon Kathleen 🥃🍯🍋
Joan told me over lunch that it was the Julie and Joan show this week. I'm so sorry Kathleen is ill, and but, as another Lister Sister, I was delighted to hear Joan spreading the story about AL and her diaries. The diaries project was fascinating and what it has led to is very exciting. I hope to be in Halifax again next year too.
Fascinating discussion about Anne Lister. I knew of her but not very much and will now search for the TV series to begin. It is so important for us to know about remarkable lesbian women, their achievements, struggles and thoughts. More is being published about notable Australian lesbians which is a delight. ‘Ida Leeson. A life’ by Sylvia Martin is one for all the lesbian librarians out there.
Also, I regularly listen to ‘Always, Rachel’, the correspondence between Rachel Carson and Dorothy Freeman because it is so tender and informative about their lives, and just beautiful to hear. They would not describe themselves as lesbian but they had a uniquely loving relationship.
Thank you so much, Julie, for mentioning the recent Federal Court victory of the Lesbian Action Group (LAG). The women behind that have amazing tenacity and one day this story will be acknowledged too. The shadows of gender ideology hang heavily over our country at present, so this legal victory is especially important.
I really enjoyed the extended discussion today. Best wishes for your recovery, Kathleen, and thanks again to Julie and Joan.
For Kathleen -
If you have to talk on the fly - have a bottle of Pineapple Juice on hand, it cuts through the phlegm/mucus. Singers - we do this all the time.
To get rid of the mucus out of your lungs and and throat - its for colds, bronchitis and pneumonia: Make a tea out of onion, celery and garlic:
Recipe
🧅 1 onion, roughly chopped
🌿 2 celery stalks, roughly chopped
🧄 2–3 garlic cloves, roughly chopped
💧 1 litre water
🍯 Optional: ½ tsp honey (I suggest the honey)
👉 Add everything to a large pot, bring to a gentle boil, then simmer on low for 30 minutes. Strain and sip warm.
Dosing: 1–3 cups daily, depending on severity of illness
If it's just light croaky type of mucus - and need a lighter, slower way to go.
Then also make a tea of ginger, lemon and honey.
1 large (4-inch) piece of FRESH ginger - break off from a larger piece if needed.
2 lemons - use firm lemons with a slight give when you give them a gentle squeeze (NO BOTTLED lemon juice - FRESH).
2 tablespoons of honey - proper real honey
Make sure the honey is proper honey, most - pretty much ll - of the crap on the shelves we use, has been tampered with, either diluted with sugar syrups, chemically processed, or produced through unnatural methods like force-feeding bees sugar instead of allowing them to forage in nature, which exploits the natural biological rhythm of bees. It also lacks the natural properties and health benefits of real, pure honey. Do your homework on honey, the real stuff is brilliant the usual fake stuff is just sugar and oil.
IF you have a huge temperature I have a dangerous way of getting rid of it that works, its painful though. Bury your bed with blankets, and have an electric blanket - get under all that until you are roasting, sweating up a storm, you will feel absolutely miserable in a new way entirely - and stay there till you can't bear it - at that point - stick with it - stay a few hours. And then very very very slowly remove the blankets one by one. It basically amplifies your fever - fever/heat is the body's response to killing the bugs, you're just helping it along. VERY slowly take your temperature down or you'll get pneumonia. Works though.
Hadn't Helena Whitbread already transcribed the journals? Why was it necessary to do again? https://youtu.be/sRGwjKMDatw?si=vzMq0P5ElA0xL70J
Helena spent several years transcribing the journals from microfilm. She printed out 50 pages at a time. Her books contain excerpts from the journals. The transcription project was sponsored by the West Yorkshire Archive Service. The WYAS has the journals, and other AL materials, and holds the copyright to the journals. The AL & Shibden files are extensive. The Gentleman Jack television series prompted a call for volunteers to transcribe the primary journals (26) & the travel journals (14), to create an official transcription of AL’s journals, which is available on the WYAS website. There are 2 versions – ‘complete’ and ‘clean’. The former includes brackets, while the latter is easier to read. Difficult to explain but obvious when you open the file. You can also read the original journals because they have been digitized. Sally Wainwright donated the funds that allowed the digitization. Oxford University Press is in negotiation with Calderdale &the WYAS to publish the primary journals. The books that have been published to date only contain excerpts. The OUP intends to publish the complete journals.
The published transcriptions make them available & allow everyone to read Lister’s journals. These historical documents are a treasure trove. Julie’s question about whether we should read them is one that continues to be debated. Lister never intended her journals to be read. She planned to burn them before she died. She didn’t expect to die in Russia. Ann Walker brought Lister’s last journals back. Lister’s cousin, John, protected them, and we are given the privilege of reading them.
Hope this answers your question. Apologies for the delay in answering.
Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to reply, great work by everyone involved 👏👏👏