Jokes aside, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode! For lesbians in our 20s and 30s, I can affirm that it is lonely out there—there are no spaces left for just us and there is a lot of pressure to conform with the absolutely forced 'inclusivity' culture madness. Many young lesbians tend to go along with it and it just ends up lumping us with a bunch of people we have quite frankly nothing in common with.
I am always delighted to see more of us resisting and pushing back, it was very nice to hear Nicole's perspective on this!
Can I get in touch A.L. Lesbian Action Group and LGBAA are trying to set up some networks for young lesbians. We are reaching out to young lesbians to try to make connections and work out ways to fix this isolation (or at least ease it). You can contact us at info@lesbianactiongroup.org.au or through twitter
49.49 'So it's really up to us to make the case, but of course, so bloody difficult to do it. ...it's why we set up the Lesbian Project, isn't it.'
How do you make non lesbians understand how important lesbian space and lesbian culture is to us? How wrong and damaging the forced teaming with the alphabet soup is? That is what I am having to do in the appeal against the Aust Human Rights Commission who denied us an exemption to run events for lesbians only. They said we had to let men who want to be lesbians come along too otherwise they might kill themselves.. How do I convince / show / make understandable to a bunch of heterosexuals. How do I explain to non lesbians and non feminists what it is to be a lesbian feminist. What words can I use? What examples can I give? Anyone with suggestions I'd love to hear you. It feels like I am about to sit a very important exam using a foreign language, with judges who don't even know my language exists.
Just be yourself, Carol Ann. You are warm and genuine in the media. Refer to our history and the diversity that has always been there. We are women who love women and that is what draws us together. By women, I don't mean men wanting or pretending to be women.
Another great Friday evening in California with Julie, Kathleen and meeting Nicole. As a second wave feminist I know that our lesbian sisters are the true leaders of women’s liberation. Y’all know why. I have learned so much and I have many new friends from attending FiLiA 22 and 23. This pod-cast is a weekly reminder of the sisterhood, laughter and love I feel at FiLiA. I haven’t felt this beautiful energy and camaraderie since the 1970s. Our struggle is long and multi generational, our greatest success will be to help younger women carry on the struggle. This straight hag thanks you again with deep respect for carrying our struggle forward. Much love and affection. 💚🤍💜
Thank you all for another exciting podcast. It was fabulous to meet Nicole. I am in my 70s and don't know any young lesbians now, but I am writing about my younger self and other young lesbians in the late '60s and early '70s. The world was a different place.
I discovered my lesbian identity by falling in love with another woman at age 20. It was such a precious, joyful time. Not many women were out in those days.. My lesbian /gay scene was initially in literature. Another story, another time..
Nicole, you said something about people these days, needing to have labels. Did I hear you correctly? I feel that too. I dislike the 'LGBTQUIA+' grouping and reject it utterly.
I guess my core self is a spiritual being who in this society is lesbian feminist. I spent most of my mid-life trying to live accordingly in my private and professional lives.
Thank you for mentioning Magdelin Berns. Just googled her and look forward to exploring her story more tomorrow. By the way, I discovered that 'Always, Rachel', the letters of Rachel Carson and Dorothy Freeman I mentioned last week, is now available on Audible! This podcast shares in a similar way to a certain extent.
I would like there to be a kind of annotated list of references you all make from time to time in the podcast but perhaps that is a big ask. I'd love to see some of what Nicole has written too.
Thank you once more. I love these chats and the laughter always in the background.
You didn't ask, but here's my two cents on "Omnigender": perhaps each gender corresponds to a different lunar phase. Sorta like a gender-werewolf situation.
How would they keep track of them all, otherwise?!
KS here - Much as I appreciate the cleaning tips, I think it was the lighting this time - we were filming in the evening and my inadequate lighting set up makes things more misty. Anyway I will sort it out :D
It was lovely to meet Nicole. I feel for young lesbians who don’t have the various lesbian social groups that I was lucky to experience.
I really hope you can put some time into Glasgow Women’s Library and the appalling lesbophobic comic - or is it? Personally I feel it is, but I’d be interested in yr thoughts about whether it might be satire 🤢
Really enjoying the “identity of the week” segment 😻
How come you two haven't given us your thoughts on Deadloch yet? Only on Amazon Prime, but so worth the watch... set in the Australian equivalent of Hebden Bridge, detectives, lesbians, serial killer, but a pleasing lack of murdered women, very observational - and funny. There's even a moon mooncup in there.
Great conversation! I enjoyed 'meeting' the very clever, wonderfully discerning Nicole, and I particularly liked the discussion about the invisibility of lesbians. I do think that we (lesbians) and women (as a cohort) are in a danger of subjugating ourselves out of existence, in large part because we accept the social conditioning to put other's needs ahead of our own, generation after generation. Our subjugation, I would argue, now seems innate. The eye rolling you all described in relation to your own experiences with other lesbians may be more to do with your refusal to conform and the mirror your courage holds up to those who feel they have no choice. I try to do my bit in my novels by creating strong (incidentally) lesbian characters who successfully navigate relatable women's issues. But like Nicole, I am less optimistic. The best I hope for is that, like RBG's dissents, my work will have a place in the future. Thank you again for TLP... I can't believe I pay to listen to a couple of old dykes complaining!
about the tradwife/protector stuff, I think the "next thing" is going to be the flavour of pop-evopsych the redpill/incel communities are doing. Stuff about alpha males and sigma males. Basically a move from gender woo to justifying personality and behaviour with this weird brand of pseudoscience about what men and women are like.
I 100% believe that nonbinary and such are going out of fashion, but what's happening with the younger generation is things like feminism are going out of fashion as well. (because they don't know what real feminism is, they know what they're taught about in schools is bullsiht).
Still the only podcast out there worth paying to listen to/watch. I just love how your brains and those of your guests work. How you tease out the motives for a lot of the nonsense that is going on. Thank you.
Hello LP pod. I wonder why the show notes are missing on Substack? We can find them on Apple and every other pod platform, but not here, on podcast's own page. You probably have to input them separately here, is my guess.
Another great episode!! On behalf of myself and my partner we want to say a HUGE thank you to you both Julie and Kathleen for this wonderful podcast!! We were getting so disheartened with things and then you appeared with the podcast and it was like balm to our weary souls...
We have recently moved to Sussex to be nearer to LGB events and "community", but Brighton is just so awful and we feel silenced when around people. It is all "queer" spaces and there are no lesbian only spaces or events, everything has to include non binary ffs!! We are really keen to get involved in lesbian events and activism to promote lesbian visibility. If anyone knows of anything anywhere in the UK please let me know. Are there any groups in Sussex we need to know about. Have been looking online, but hard to find things.
Looking at the "Lesbian Lives Conference 2024" in Brighton. Does anyone have any experience of this conference? Don't want to go if it's all going to be about all the gender, rainbow soup crap! Really looking forward to more podcasts and more events this year and getting more involved.
I really enjoyed this episode - Nicole is a great guest. I hope you’ll have her back again, particularly because in the discussion of the “hasbians” I was desperate to hear if there was still the concept of the LUG at unis. (Lesbian Until Graduation). All the best.
Jokes aside, I thoroughly enjoyed this episode! For lesbians in our 20s and 30s, I can affirm that it is lonely out there—there are no spaces left for just us and there is a lot of pressure to conform with the absolutely forced 'inclusivity' culture madness. Many young lesbians tend to go along with it and it just ends up lumping us with a bunch of people we have quite frankly nothing in common with.
I am always delighted to see more of us resisting and pushing back, it was very nice to hear Nicole's perspective on this!
Can I get in touch A.L. Lesbian Action Group and LGBAA are trying to set up some networks for young lesbians. We are reaching out to young lesbians to try to make connections and work out ways to fix this isolation (or at least ease it). You can contact us at info@lesbianactiongroup.org.au or through twitter
49.49 'So it's really up to us to make the case, but of course, so bloody difficult to do it. ...it's why we set up the Lesbian Project, isn't it.'
How do you make non lesbians understand how important lesbian space and lesbian culture is to us? How wrong and damaging the forced teaming with the alphabet soup is? That is what I am having to do in the appeal against the Aust Human Rights Commission who denied us an exemption to run events for lesbians only. They said we had to let men who want to be lesbians come along too otherwise they might kill themselves.. How do I convince / show / make understandable to a bunch of heterosexuals. How do I explain to non lesbians and non feminists what it is to be a lesbian feminist. What words can I use? What examples can I give? Anyone with suggestions I'd love to hear you. It feels like I am about to sit a very important exam using a foreign language, with judges who don't even know my language exists.
Just be yourself, Carol Ann. You are warm and genuine in the media. Refer to our history and the diversity that has always been there. We are women who love women and that is what draws us together. By women, I don't mean men wanting or pretending to be women.
Ask all the straight men to accept transwomen into their dating pool.
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
Informative, hilarious, infuriating and warm.
We are drowning in Australia. I live in Ballarat, Victoria which prides itself on having around 25% of the population identifying as lgbtgrst++++.🙄
I think the word for those multi gendered types should Sybils. A collective noun.♀️💪
Where is that Statistic listed please?
Another great Friday evening in California with Julie, Kathleen and meeting Nicole. As a second wave feminist I know that our lesbian sisters are the true leaders of women’s liberation. Y’all know why. I have learned so much and I have many new friends from attending FiLiA 22 and 23. This pod-cast is a weekly reminder of the sisterhood, laughter and love I feel at FiLiA. I haven’t felt this beautiful energy and camaraderie since the 1970s. Our struggle is long and multi generational, our greatest success will be to help younger women carry on the struggle. This straight hag thanks you again with deep respect for carrying our struggle forward. Much love and affection. 💚🤍💜
I feel exactly the same. 💗
Thank you all for another exciting podcast. It was fabulous to meet Nicole. I am in my 70s and don't know any young lesbians now, but I am writing about my younger self and other young lesbians in the late '60s and early '70s. The world was a different place.
I discovered my lesbian identity by falling in love with another woman at age 20. It was such a precious, joyful time. Not many women were out in those days.. My lesbian /gay scene was initially in literature. Another story, another time..
Nicole, you said something about people these days, needing to have labels. Did I hear you correctly? I feel that too. I dislike the 'LGBTQUIA+' grouping and reject it utterly.
I guess my core self is a spiritual being who in this society is lesbian feminist. I spent most of my mid-life trying to live accordingly in my private and professional lives.
Thank you for mentioning Magdelin Berns. Just googled her and look forward to exploring her story more tomorrow. By the way, I discovered that 'Always, Rachel', the letters of Rachel Carson and Dorothy Freeman I mentioned last week, is now available on Audible! This podcast shares in a similar way to a certain extent.
I would like there to be a kind of annotated list of references you all make from time to time in the podcast but perhaps that is a big ask. I'd love to see some of what Nicole has written too.
Thank you once more. I love these chats and the laughter always in the background.
You didn't ask, but here's my two cents on "Omnigender": perhaps each gender corresponds to a different lunar phase. Sorta like a gender-werewolf situation.
How would they keep track of them all, otherwise?!
Fray Bentos is a UNESCO World Heritage Site - show respect!
https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1464/
(Kathleen, please clean your webcam lens - you look a bit like a Monet)
KS here - Much as I appreciate the cleaning tips, I think it was the lighting this time - we were filming in the evening and my inadequate lighting set up makes things more misty. Anyway I will sort it out :D
i thought you were maybe going for the Barbara Stanwyck fuzzy lens look!
It was lovely to meet Nicole. I feel for young lesbians who don’t have the various lesbian social groups that I was lucky to experience.
I really hope you can put some time into Glasgow Women’s Library and the appalling lesbophobic comic - or is it? Personally I feel it is, but I’d be interested in yr thoughts about whether it might be satire 🤢
Really enjoying the “identity of the week” segment 😻
How come you two haven't given us your thoughts on Deadloch yet? Only on Amazon Prime, but so worth the watch... set in the Australian equivalent of Hebden Bridge, detectives, lesbians, serial killer, but a pleasing lack of murdered women, very observational - and funny. There's even a moon mooncup in there.
Great conversation! I enjoyed 'meeting' the very clever, wonderfully discerning Nicole, and I particularly liked the discussion about the invisibility of lesbians. I do think that we (lesbians) and women (as a cohort) are in a danger of subjugating ourselves out of existence, in large part because we accept the social conditioning to put other's needs ahead of our own, generation after generation. Our subjugation, I would argue, now seems innate. The eye rolling you all described in relation to your own experiences with other lesbians may be more to do with your refusal to conform and the mirror your courage holds up to those who feel they have no choice. I try to do my bit in my novels by creating strong (incidentally) lesbian characters who successfully navigate relatable women's issues. But like Nicole, I am less optimistic. The best I hope for is that, like RBG's dissents, my work will have a place in the future. Thank you again for TLP... I can't believe I pay to listen to a couple of old dykes complaining!
about the tradwife/protector stuff, I think the "next thing" is going to be the flavour of pop-evopsych the redpill/incel communities are doing. Stuff about alpha males and sigma males. Basically a move from gender woo to justifying personality and behaviour with this weird brand of pseudoscience about what men and women are like.
I 100% believe that nonbinary and such are going out of fashion, but what's happening with the younger generation is things like feminism are going out of fashion as well. (because they don't know what real feminism is, they know what they're taught about in schools is bullsiht).
Still the only podcast out there worth paying to listen to/watch. I just love how your brains and those of your guests work. How you tease out the motives for a lot of the nonsense that is going on. Thank you.
Brilliant as ever, and I am so pleased you mentioned that awful episode of Lady Killers that had me writing a fuming complaint to the BBC!
Hello LP pod. I wonder why the show notes are missing on Substack? We can find them on Apple and every other pod platform, but not here, on podcast's own page. You probably have to input them separately here, is my guess.
I was just about to ask for show notes! I didn't realise they appeared on other platforms though so thanks for the tip
Hi Lydia - the short answer is I have no idea but I will try to find out!
ok, I have been back through every episode and added the shownotes manually - sorry about that! They should appear from now on
Another great episode!! On behalf of myself and my partner we want to say a HUGE thank you to you both Julie and Kathleen for this wonderful podcast!! We were getting so disheartened with things and then you appeared with the podcast and it was like balm to our weary souls...
We have recently moved to Sussex to be nearer to LGB events and "community", but Brighton is just so awful and we feel silenced when around people. It is all "queer" spaces and there are no lesbian only spaces or events, everything has to include non binary ffs!! We are really keen to get involved in lesbian events and activism to promote lesbian visibility. If anyone knows of anything anywhere in the UK please let me know. Are there any groups in Sussex we need to know about. Have been looking online, but hard to find things.
Looking at the "Lesbian Lives Conference 2024" in Brighton. Does anyone have any experience of this conference? Don't want to go if it's all going to be about all the gender, rainbow soup crap! Really looking forward to more podcasts and more events this year and getting more involved.
I really enjoyed this episode - Nicole is a great guest. I hope you’ll have her back again, particularly because in the discussion of the “hasbians” I was desperate to hear if there was still the concept of the LUG at unis. (Lesbian Until Graduation). All the best.