Agreed with your interpretation of Sandi Toksvig's position/comments. And would add - I think it's far easier for (some) married/settled lesbians who aren't in the dating pool to tell those of us who are that we should be accepting of men who identify as women. Because you can pretty much guarantee if Sandi found herself single, she wouldn't be dating a transwoman. It is an easy way to bank some rainbow credibility because Sandi will never have to deal with the consequences of the ideology.
I fear that the Demi’s will skip down the Rainbow Brick Road; arrive at Glitter City; and pull back the Sequin Curtain - only to find that the Gender Wizard is a fake!
I loved seeing you both at Sister's Salon, although lacked the courage to say Hi! The Twitter storm that followed was ridiculous, and as you said, a purity spiral. I think as your conversations prove, 100% agreement is not necessary to have a conversation and take a moment to understand thoughts or opinions you may not have considered.
Anyway, you're both hilarious and I look forward to these every week! ♥️
Kathleen, I agree that it is probably easier for people to come out and live full lives now than in the past.
I remember the '60s and' 70s when male homosexuality was illegal and lesbians did not exist. There were many suicides, mostly male, but we lost lesbian friends too. Life was hard for many. Things got better here in the late '70s and throughout the '80s, despite the AIDS horror. It was easier to find others. Many stories remain untold.
Re the current trans campaigns, I have never known a movement based almost purely on self-centredness, self-pity, anger, privilege and deceit. Very sad.
Enough said. I can't change much now, despite letters to power but happiness is ours. I am proud of what many of us achieved, and we have not seen the end yet.
I should have said 'peace' is ours rather than 'happiness'. Peace at having kept our integrity as women in the face of all sorts of obstacles. ☕🙏. It is important to keep doing that.
Thanks to you two I've now binge watched Series One and Two of An Clo Mor. Whilst it's soap opera drama (ie far fetched and not especially deep), it's not terrible. There's also a gay storyline as well as the lesbian one.
I usually watch this podcast every Friday evening with a Negroni in hand. It’s my relaxation time after my volunteer work for the Alliance on Aging here in Salinas CA. But I missed last night so I watched while having a lovely breakfast today. We need humor and analysis, you two are great at both. This straight old hag thanks you from the bottom of my heart for your wit and wisdom. 💚🤍💜❤️❤️❤️
Your podcast reminded me of my registered partnership ceremony/party event. An interesting future subject, as there are so many.
My partner had already been married - and divorced and did not want to repeat the process. I have never been pro-marriage, so we settled on a registered partnership for practical reasons.
It was supposed to be a sober ceremony at city hall. Thanks to Dial-a-Bus services, my parents arrived exhausted from the nursing home. My partner's mother, brother and his family drove to Friesland from Brabant in their cars. Some friends had invited themselves, so in the end, we were quite the merry bunch. My partner's nieces presented us with two bridal bouquets they had brought for the occasion. Whenever I tried to lose mine by discreetly hiding it behind a plant vase in the City Hall's hall, one of them would run after me, crying, 'You forgot your bouquet!'. That's how determined they were to see our 'lesbian marriage' on equal footing with the heterosexual variety. Their intentions were so pure I schlepped the damn thing around for hours. I am such a sucker for good intentions.
Cue my mansplaining - Sandi Toksvig wasn't on Tiswas, but Kathleen is right that she started on Saturday morning TV on a kids show, it was called "No 73", which came just after Tiswas finished, where she played a character called Ethel who was the lynchpin of the show - it featured the (legendary) Sandwich Quiz, which is what immediately came to mind when I thought of it! And of course later 'Whose Line...?' But yes, I was a huge fan, however she's certainly let us down with her silliness.
So it was my demi self in play all those years ago when my physical ed teachers starred in my fantasies! Great conversation, Julie & Kathleen, such a balm in these turbulent times.
Can I be the demi asexual triangle player in Prism of Queerness?
you can!
I’m glad you addressed that ridiculous guilt by association :)
Great episode, thank you. Speaking of Martina, could we her as a guest?
Agreed with your interpretation of Sandi Toksvig's position/comments. And would add - I think it's far easier for (some) married/settled lesbians who aren't in the dating pool to tell those of us who are that we should be accepting of men who identify as women. Because you can pretty much guarantee if Sandi found herself single, she wouldn't be dating a transwoman. It is an easy way to bank some rainbow credibility because Sandi will never have to deal with the consequences of the ideology.
Oh Dear 🙄
I fear that the Demi’s will skip down the Rainbow Brick Road; arrive at Glitter City; and pull back the Sequin Curtain - only to find that the Gender Wizard is a fake!
I loved seeing you both at Sister's Salon, although lacked the courage to say Hi! The Twitter storm that followed was ridiculous, and as you said, a purity spiral. I think as your conversations prove, 100% agreement is not necessary to have a conversation and take a moment to understand thoughts or opinions you may not have considered.
Anyway, you're both hilarious and I look forward to these every week! ♥️
Fabulous again!
Kathleen, I agree that it is probably easier for people to come out and live full lives now than in the past.
I remember the '60s and' 70s when male homosexuality was illegal and lesbians did not exist. There were many suicides, mostly male, but we lost lesbian friends too. Life was hard for many. Things got better here in the late '70s and throughout the '80s, despite the AIDS horror. It was easier to find others. Many stories remain untold.
Re the current trans campaigns, I have never known a movement based almost purely on self-centredness, self-pity, anger, privilege and deceit. Very sad.
Enough said. I can't change much now, despite letters to power but happiness is ours. I am proud of what many of us achieved, and we have not seen the end yet.
Love and blessings 💗
Looking forward to the next session!
I should have said 'peace' is ours rather than 'happiness'. Peace at having kept our integrity as women in the face of all sorts of obstacles. ☕🙏. It is important to keep doing that.
Loved it. Thank you again for the lightness and humour.
Thanks to you two I've now binge watched Series One and Two of An Clo Mor. Whilst it's soap opera drama (ie far fetched and not especially deep), it's not terrible. There's also a gay storyline as well as the lesbian one.
I usually watch this podcast every Friday evening with a Negroni in hand. It’s my relaxation time after my volunteer work for the Alliance on Aging here in Salinas CA. But I missed last night so I watched while having a lovely breakfast today. We need humor and analysis, you two are great at both. This straight old hag thanks you from the bottom of my heart for your wit and wisdom. 💚🤍💜❤️❤️❤️
Leasbachan anns a Ghàidhlig? You mean there's more than one of us? 😄
I'm intrigued...
Couldn't resist a little schooling in gaelic pronunciation 🤣https://twitter.com/THFeminist/status/1748992171825389758?t=0iuZfDbpnX8ZeTxqgWhbZA&s=19
Thanks Lisa, that saved me from sounding pedantic by correcting the pronunciation of Gaelic. Great podcast as usual though.
Tapadh leat agus mas e do thoil e! Although I did think afterwards an Uibhisteach or Sgitheanach is going to disagree 🤣
The LPP: uniting gaels across the lesbian diaspora (because we're all from Terf island here💚🤍💜 🏝️)
Acting edgy & ambiguous about sexuality has been going on since glam rock in the early 70s. Ridiculous reaching by that journalist.
Your podcast reminded me of my registered partnership ceremony/party event. An interesting future subject, as there are so many.
My partner had already been married - and divorced and did not want to repeat the process. I have never been pro-marriage, so we settled on a registered partnership for practical reasons.
It was supposed to be a sober ceremony at city hall. Thanks to Dial-a-Bus services, my parents arrived exhausted from the nursing home. My partner's mother, brother and his family drove to Friesland from Brabant in their cars. Some friends had invited themselves, so in the end, we were quite the merry bunch. My partner's nieces presented us with two bridal bouquets they had brought for the occasion. Whenever I tried to lose mine by discreetly hiding it behind a plant vase in the City Hall's hall, one of them would run after me, crying, 'You forgot your bouquet!'. That's how determined they were to see our 'lesbian marriage' on equal footing with the heterosexual variety. Their intentions were so pure I schlepped the damn thing around for hours. I am such a sucker for good intentions.
Cue my mansplaining - Sandi Toksvig wasn't on Tiswas, but Kathleen is right that she started on Saturday morning TV on a kids show, it was called "No 73", which came just after Tiswas finished, where she played a character called Ethel who was the lynchpin of the show - it featured the (legendary) Sandwich Quiz, which is what immediately came to mind when I thought of it! And of course later 'Whose Line...?' But yes, I was a huge fan, however she's certainly let us down with her silliness.
aha yes of course
So it was my demi self in play all those years ago when my physical ed teachers starred in my fantasies! Great conversation, Julie & Kathleen, such a balm in these turbulent times.
Hi Lisa, I’m not actually a Gael but have good friends who are and as a Scot I know the basics. But I am a Terf from Renfrewshire.
Not a threat.
https://x.com/OllettJ/status/1747901449634206055?s=20